[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming

DAVID BALL dave.ball2 at virgin.net
Sat Apr 20 10:41:06 UTC 2013 

how is thursday at 7pm for everyone


On 20 April 2013 01:10, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:

> john i'll have to cancel  Mondays class, sorry but  i will re schedule but
> it  will  need to be later in the week. and  start at 7 as i;ll be  back
> at  work.
>
> regards
> dave
>
>
> On 20 April 2013 00:33, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Great 4 suits me much better.     John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2013, 0:28
>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>>
>>
>> i can start a 4 if people  want
>>
>>
>> On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi David,
>> >                I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that
>> > would be as much time as I could hold my concentration.  John.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>> > To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03
>> > Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>> >
>> >
>> > So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way  we would
>> > have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together  a
>> > lesson plan  and  since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use
>> > these  to create a simple  course, and  i'll write up a set of  course
>> > notes for the first lesson and  distribute  them before  monday,  i'll
>> > cover  both C++ and PHP  that way people can  chose  which one they
>> want to
>> > use and it  will also let   you see the similarities between the
>> different
>> > languages as well as the differences.  as i've said  one you understand
>> > the  core principals the language is really irrelevant
>> > regards
>> > dave
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> thanks john, what time is suitable for  those interested. as i said
>> I'm
>> > >> off
>> > >> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours
>> then. i
>> > >> did
>> > >> notice that the room is booked  already at 7-9 so i was thinking
>> perhaps
>> > >> before  that  if it  was suitable to people starting whenever.
>> > >> i was planning of running it  from the view point that no one has
>> any
>> > >> experience at all. and i'm happy to  cover both PHP and a C
>> language  if
>> > >> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting  to begin with  but
>> > my
>> > >> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to the
>> > >> basic
>> > >> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on
>> > the
>> > >> knowledge and previous work to  help you improve your understanding.
>> > >> so in the first session i would think the  we  should be able to
>> cover
>> > >> data
>> > >> types, variables,  functions, classes, procedures, objects,
>> libraries,
>> > >>  and
>> > >> then use them to look at creating a very  simple  text based dice
>> game.
>> > >> we could then over time look at  how we  would expand this simple
>> game.
>> > i
>> > >> find its always  good to set a  problem and  see what issue arise and
>> > then
>> > >> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the
>> > >> lesson so everyone  can  benefit  from the improved understanding
>> > >> resolving
>> > >> the issue  has given.
>> > >> regards
>> > >> dave
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>  Hi,
>> > >>>     Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in
>> very
>> > >>> basic
>> > >>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The
>> > more I
>> > >>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally
>> was
>> > >>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help
>> we
>> > >>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that
>> > >>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the
>> very
>> > >>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course
>> > along
>> > >>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we could
>> > >>> concentrate on setting a time.    John
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ______________________________**__
>> > >>>   From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>> > >>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org
>> >
>> > >>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn,  the group
>> can
>> > >>> cover them  all as far as concerned as I've said  before all the c
>> > >>> languages are part of the same family tree.
>> > >>> i was thinking for the  first group to cover  some main area's of
>> > >>> programming.
>> > >>> Such as  variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and
>> > >>> perhaps
>> > >>> look at the  differences  and similarities between    the languages
>> > >>> people
>> > >>> want to learn.
>> > >>> i think it would be good to have  some actual problem to solve,
>> someone
>> > >>> mentioned yathzee  which maybe a bit complicated for the first
>> meeting
>> > >>>  but
>> > >>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
>> > >>> by that i mean  we  could look at identifying what would be need to
>> > >>> write a
>> > >>> yathzee type  game perhaps starting out with a craps. although
>> someone
>> > >>> would need to  have the rules for  theses games
>> > >>> as we  would need to cover quite a few  of the areas  to  create a
>> > simple
>> > >>> dice game.
>> > >>> regards
>> > >>> dave
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  Yep...  Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million
>> apologies, I
>> > >>>>
>> > >>> have
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> let everyone down.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to
>> know
>> > >>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But
>> don't
>> > >>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with
>> > that
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Blair
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>  On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>  Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>> experience
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>> platform
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> for beginners.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well.
>> Though
>> > I
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>> know
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever
>> did
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>> was in
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the
>> > >>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime
>> overheads
>> > etc
>> > >>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++
>> for
>> > >>>>> the
>> > >>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Cheers
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Martin
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