[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming

John Couzin john.c.at95 at btinternet.com
Sat Apr 20 10:44:06 UTC 2013 

7:30 would suit me better but if everybody else goes for 7, I'll do my best to be there in time. 

On 20 Apr 2013, at 11:41, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:

> how is thursday at 7pm for everyone
> 
> 
> On 20 April 2013 01:10, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
> 
>> john i'll have to cancel  Mondays class, sorry but  i will re schedule but
>> it  will  need to be later in the week. and  start at 7 as i;ll be  back
>> at  work.
>> 
>> regards
>> dave
>> 
>> 
>> On 20 April 2013 00:33, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Great 4 suits me much better.     John.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2013, 0:28
>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>>> 
>>> 
>>> i can start a 4 if people  want
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>               I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that
>>>> would be as much time as I could hold my concentration.  John.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03
>>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way  we would
>>>> have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together  a
>>>> lesson plan  and  since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use
>>>> these  to create a simple  course, and  i'll write up a set of  course
>>>> notes for the first lesson and  distribute  them before  monday,  i'll
>>>> cover  both C++ and PHP  that way people can  chose  which one they
>>> want to
>>>> use and it  will also let   you see the similarities between the
>>> different
>>>> languages as well as the differences.  as i've said  one you understand
>>>> the  core principals the language is really irrelevant
>>>> regards
>>>> dave
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks john, what time is suitable for  those interested. as i said
>>> I'm
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours
>>> then. i
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> notice that the room is booked  already at 7-9 so i was thinking
>>> perhaps
>>>>>> before  that  if it  was suitable to people starting whenever.
>>>>>> i was planning of running it  from the view point that no one has
>>> any
>>>>>> experience at all. and i'm happy to  cover both PHP and a C
>>> language  if
>>>>>> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting  to begin with  but
>>>> my
>>>>>> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to the
>>>>>> basic
>>>>>> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on
>>>> the
>>>>>> knowledge and previous work to  help you improve your understanding.
>>>>>> so in the first session i would think the  we  should be able to
>>> cover
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> types, variables,  functions, classes, procedures, objects,
>>> libraries,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then use them to look at creating a very  simple  text based dice
>>> game.
>>>>>> we could then over time look at  how we  would expand this simple
>>> game.
>>>> i
>>>>>> find its always  good to set a  problem and  see what issue arise and
>>>> then
>>>>>> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the
>>>>>> lesson so everyone  can  benefit  from the improved understanding
>>>>>> resolving
>>>>>> the issue  has given.
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>    Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in
>>> very
>>>>>>> basic
>>>>>>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The
>>>> more I
>>>>>>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally
>>> was
>>>>>>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help
>>> we
>>>>>>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that
>>>>>>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the
>>> very
>>>>>>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course
>>>> along
>>>>>>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we could
>>>>>>> concentrate on setting a time.    John
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>>>>>  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>>>>>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org
>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn,  the group
>>> can
>>>>>>> cover them  all as far as concerned as I've said  before all the c
>>>>>>> languages are part of the same family tree.
>>>>>>> i was thinking for the  first group to cover  some main area's of
>>>>>>> programming.
>>>>>>> Such as  variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and
>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>> look at the  differences  and similarities between    the languages
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> want to learn.
>>>>>>> i think it would be good to have  some actual problem to solve,
>>> someone
>>>>>>> mentioned yathzee  which maybe a bit complicated for the first
>>> meeting
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
>>>>>>> by that i mean  we  could look at identifying what would be need to
>>>>>>> write a
>>>>>>> yathzee type  game perhaps starting out with a craps. although
>>> someone
>>>>>>> would need to  have the rules for  theses games
>>>>>>> as we  would need to cover quite a few  of the areas  to  create a
>>>> simple
>>>>>>> dice game.
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>> dave
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yep...  Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million
>>> apologies, I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> let everyone down.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to
>>> know
>>>>>>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But
>>> don't
>>>>>>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Blair
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular
>>>>>>>>> platform
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> for beginners.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well.
>>> Though
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever
>>> did
>>>>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
>>>>>>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the
>>>>>>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime
>>> overheads
>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++
>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Martin
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