[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming

DAVID BALL dave.ball2 at virgin.net
Sat Apr 20 00:10:12 UTC 2013 

john i'll have to cancel  Mondays class, sorry but  i will re schedule but
it  will  need to be later in the week. and  start at 7 as i;ll be  back
at  work.

regards
dave


On 20 April 2013 00:33, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Great 4 suits me much better.     John.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2013, 0:28
> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>
>
> i can start a 4 if people  want
>
>
> On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >                I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that
> > would be as much time as I could hold my concentration.  John.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> > To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
> > Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03
> > Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
> >
> >
> > So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way  we would
> > have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together  a
> > lesson plan  and  since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use
> > these  to create a simple  course, and  i'll write up a set of  course
> > notes for the first lesson and  distribute  them before  monday,  i'll
> > cover  both C++ and PHP  that way people can  chose  which one they want
> to
> > use and it  will also let   you see the similarities between the
> different
> > languages as well as the differences.  as i've said  one you understand
> > the  core principals the language is really irrelevant
> > regards
> > dave
> >
> >
> > On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
> > >
> > >> thanks john, what time is suitable for  those interested. as i said
> I'm
> > >> off
> > >> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours then.
> i
> > >> did
> > >> notice that the room is booked  already at 7-9 so i was thinking
> perhaps
> > >> before  that  if it  was suitable to people starting whenever.
> > >> i was planning of running it  from the view point that no one has  any
> > >> experience at all. and i'm happy to  cover both PHP and a C language
> if
> > >> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting  to begin with  but
> > my
> > >> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to the
> > >> basic
> > >> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on
> > the
> > >> knowledge and previous work to  help you improve your understanding.
> > >> so in the first session i would think the  we  should be able to cover
> > >> data
> > >> types, variables,  functions, classes, procedures, objects, libraries,
> > >>  and
> > >> then use them to look at creating a very  simple  text based dice
> game.
> > >> we could then over time look at  how we  would expand this simple
> game.
> > i
> > >> find its always  good to set a  problem and  see what issue arise and
> > then
> > >> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the
> > >> lesson so everyone  can  benefit  from the improved understanding
> > >> resolving
> > >> the issue  has given.
> > >> regards
> > >> dave
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Hi,
> > >>>     Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in very
> > >>> basic
> > >>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The
> > more I
> > >>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally
> was
> > >>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help
> we
> > >>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that
> > >>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the
> very
> > >>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course
> > along
> > >>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we could
> > >>> concentrate on setting a time.    John
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ______________________________**__
> > >>>   From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> > >>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
> > >>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
> > >>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn,  the group
> can
> > >>> cover them  all as far as concerned as I've said  before all the c
> > >>> languages are part of the same family tree.
> > >>> i was thinking for the  first group to cover  some main area's of
> > >>> programming.
> > >>> Such as  variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and
> > >>> perhaps
> > >>> look at the  differences  and similarities between    the languages
> > >>> people
> > >>> want to learn.
> > >>> i think it would be good to have  some actual problem to solve,
> someone
> > >>> mentioned yathzee  which maybe a bit complicated for the first
> meeting
> > >>>  but
> > >>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
> > >>> by that i mean  we  could look at identifying what would be need to
> > >>> write a
> > >>> yathzee type  game perhaps starting out with a craps. although
> someone
> > >>> would need to  have the rules for  theses games
> > >>> as we  would need to cover quite a few  of the areas  to  create a
> > simple
> > >>> dice game.
> > >>> regards
> > >>> dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  Yep...  Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million apologies,
> I
> > >>>>
> > >>> have
> > >>>
> > >>>> let everyone down.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to
> know
> > >>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But
> don't
> > >>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with
> > that
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Blair
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> experience
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> platform
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> for beginners.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well.
> Though
> > I
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> know
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> was in
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the
> > >>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime overheads
> > etc
> > >>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++
> for
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Martin
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