[ELECTRON] members Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9
Nick Twigg
nick at nick-web.co.uk
Thu Apr 18 23:13:30 UTC 2013
Just in relation to the Raspberry Pi club - That was me that suggested it.
Like all great ideas, everything else always manages to get in the way. I'm still extremely keen to get the group started and running, but due to increasing work commitments I'm finding less and less time to get things organised and done.
I'm still working away in the background, but if anyone has more free time and can commit more than me, I'd be happy to have a chat with them!
Thanks,
Nick
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> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:42:58 +0100
> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
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> At today's social i volunteered to run a beginners programming or coding
> group. So with that in mind when is most suitable for everyone.
> I was thinking sometime this Monday the 22nd for the initial meeting mainly
> as I'm not working this Monday. but I was unsure as to when those
> interested would be available.
> it would also be good to get an idea of what areas of programming people
> are interested in.
> what areas peoples have had issues with in the past, what they are
> looking to get our of the group.
> That way I can get an idea of the areas people are interested in and
> sort out some examples and come up with a sensible agenda for the first
> meeting of the sub group.
>
> Now i suggested C# as a programming language mainly as it is what i
> currently program in but I'm pretty much open if people are especially keen
> on learning a specific language I'll do my best to accommodate you even
> if it means we learn the Language together.
>
> regards
> Dave
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> How much difference is there from c# to c++? I would love to learn more c++ as it is a popular language for microprocessor development as well as software
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> Blair
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> DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
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>> At today's social i volunteered to run a beginners programming or
>> coding
>> group. So with that in mind when is most suitable for everyone.
>> I was thinking sometime this Monday the 22nd for the initial meeting
>> mainly
>> as I'm not working this Monday. but I was unsure as to when those
>> interested would be available.
>> it would also be good to get an idea of what areas of programming
>> people
>> are interested in.
>> what areas peoples have had issues with in the past, what they are
>> looking to get our of the group.
>> That way I can get an idea of the areas people are interested in and
>> sort out some examples and come up with a sensible agenda for the
>> first
>> meeting of the sub group.
>>
>> Now i suggested C# as a programming language mainly as it is what i
>> currently program in but I'm pretty much open if people are especially
>> keen
>> on learning a specific language I'll do my best to accommodate you
>> even
>> if it means we learn the Language together.
>>
>> regards
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> From: Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com>
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> On 18 April 2013 10:22, Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Just a quick reminder about the social gathering tonight from 7-9pm:
>>
>> http://www.electronclub.org/doku.php?#electron_social
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>> Thanks
>>
>> Martin
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> Just a quick note to say thanks to everyone who turned up tonight.
> We had a lot of new faces tonight, it was really good to see the room
> pretty much full.
>
> Hopefully we'll see you again soon.
>
> To clear up a few points, a beginners electronics group, I believe Alice
> was interested in setting one up.
> Several people said they were interested in such a group.
>
> Alice, please you could send out a mail with some more details on the list
> when you have the time.
>
> DIY audio group. There's only a few components left to source then I'll be
> sending out a substantial email detailing which analogue synth modules
> we're planning on building and the costs involved.
>
> Other questions raised related to groups which people had previously shown
> interest in starting.
>
> One was relating to the Raspberry Pi the other was robotics.
> If you where the person who proposed these groups perhaps you could post an
> update to the list (or reply to me off list) to give us a status update.
>
> Also, thanks to Gordon for his VCR tearedown and explanation of components.
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> Cheers
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> Martin
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> From: Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com>
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> On 18 April 2013 22:42, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
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>> At today's social i volunteered to run a beginners programming or coding
>> group. So with that in mind when is most suitable for everyone.
>> I was thinking sometime this Monday the 22nd for the initial meeting mainly
>> as I'm not working this Monday. but I was unsure as to when those
>> interested would be available.
>> it would also be good to get an idea of what areas of programming people
>> are interested in.
>> what areas peoples have had issues with in the past, what they are
>> looking to get our of the group.
>> That way I can get an idea of the areas people are interested in and
>> sort out some examples and come up with a sensible agenda for the first
>> meeting of the sub group.
>>
>> Now i suggested C# as a programming language mainly as it is what i
>> currently program in but I'm pretty much open if people are especially keen
>> on learning a specific language I'll do my best to accommodate you even
>> if it means we learn the Language together.
>>
>> regards
>> Dave
>>
>
> Personally I don't think C# is ideal for a few reasons.
> The framework is somewhat bloated, non trivial to setup for beginners on
> platforms other than Windows.
>
> Perhaps something Python, Perl, PHP or Processing would be better?
> They're cross platform by design, open source, and simple to setup on any
> platform.
> The workstations in the room have at least two of these installed by
> default.
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> I guess it depends on what people are actually looking to do.
>> From previous conversations with Bob and others they're interested in
> making changes to websites written in PHP.
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> Cheers
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> Martin
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> Blair they are both object orientated programming language, the syntax is
> slightly different between them IIRC as i said been a while since i
> did any C++ programming but as i was saying the basic principals are the
> same and its more a case of different accents if you viewed them as you
> being able to understand what some one with brummy accent. so there may
> be some slight differences between them they are all off of the same
> branch of programming languages that came out of C, as is Java. So there
> are differences but the compilers now help dramatically with syntax so
> its normally quite easy to switch between languages. But the underlying
> core principals are always.
> And perhaps that in itself has given me an idea. how about those
> interested in the group identify the language they want to learn and
> i'll see about seeing out as set of simple tasks and then people can
> then and carry out the simple task in there preferred language. that way
> people can see the differences and the similarity between the different
> languages and IDEs ( integrated development environment) thats are
> avaiable
> dave
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>
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> On 18 April 2013 23:06, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> How much difference is there from c# to c++? I would love to learn more
>> c++ as it is a popular language for microprocessor development as well as
>> software
>>
>> Blair
>>
>> DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>> At today's social i volunteered to run a beginners programming or
>>> coding
>>> group. So with that in mind when is most suitable for everyone.
>>> I was thinking sometime this Monday the 22nd for the initial meeting
>>> mainly
>>> as I'm not working this Monday. but I was unsure as to when those
>>> interested would be available.
>>> it would also be good to get an idea of what areas of programming
>>> people
>>> are interested in.
>>> what areas peoples have had issues with in the past, what they are
>>> looking to get our of the group.
>>> That way I can get an idea of the areas people are interested in and
>>> sort out some examples and come up with a sensible agenda for the
>>> first
>>> meeting of the sub group.
>>>
>>> Now i suggested C# as a programming language mainly as it is what i
>>> currently program in but I'm pretty much open if people are especially
>>> keen
>>> on learning a specific language I'll do my best to accommodate you
>>> even
>>> if it means we learn the Language together.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Dave
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> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:27:23 +0100
> From: Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com>
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> On 18 April 2013 23:06, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
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>> How much difference is there from c# to c++? I would love to learn more
>> c++ as it is a popular language for microprocessor development as well as
>> software
>>
>> Blair
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> Do you have a reference for this? in my experience C wins every time over
> C++ when it comes to programming microprocessors.
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> From: Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
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> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my experience lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular platform for beginners.
>
> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well. Though I know you can develop in c with it.
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> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did was in a language called Jal that never really took off.
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> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 18 April 2013 23:06, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> How much difference is there from c# to c++? I would love to learn
>> more
>>> c++ as it is a popular language for microprocessor development as
>> well as
>>> software
>>>
>>> Blair
>>>
>>
>> Do you have a reference for this? in my experience C wins every time
>> over
>> C++ when it comes to programming microprocessors.
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> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:07:31 +0100
> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
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> does no one program machine language anymore? god that's the way i was
> taught to program microprocessors guess i'm showing my age
> ( and its how i got my self banned from john Menzies on sauchall street
> as a kid
> when i used machine code on there zx spectrum's. to switch of the
> keyboard)
> the last time i programmed in C++ was in modeling leaky integrate and fire
> neurons as my final year project many moons ago.
> but as i've said c, c++ and c# are all in the same family. as Delphi,
> and Pascal are in the same family, Basic and visual basic etc...
> each language has its uses and specialization. and if there is one
> thing about programming and the options available it is that there are
> many and each has its pros and cons. and i don't want this to descend
> into an argument of the pros and cons of one over the other.
> so so far i have someone wanting to learn c++
> and someone suggesting PHP.
> do we have any others?
> what time would suit people to have the first meeting and if not Monday
> what day would people prefer.
>
> regards
> dave
>
>
> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my experience
>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular platform
>> for beginners.
>>
>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well. Though I know
>> you can develop in c with it.
>>
>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did was in
>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
>>
>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 April 2013 23:06, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much difference is there from c# to c++? I would love to learn
>>> more
>>>> c++ as it is a popular language for microprocessor development as
>>> well as
>>>> software
>>>>
>>>> Blair
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have a reference for this? in my experience C wins every time
>>> over
>>> C++ when it comes to programming microprocessors.
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