[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming

DAVID BALL dave.ball2 at virgin.net
Sat Apr 20 23:20:06 UTC 2013 

OK I've converted  it to a pdf so it  should  now hopefully  go through
without any issues. so it will  be read only  but if you notice  any error
can people please feed them  back and I'll fix them.
regards
dave


On 20 April 2013 23:14, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>                no attachment to my email.   John.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2013, 22:38
> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>
>
> Ok  I'll  book the room  form 7 with a start time of 7:30  for the class
> and we will  have an hour class ending at 8.30. please find attached the
> course notes for the first part of the course. I've had to  zip it due to
> the size issue as its an rtf file so everyone should be  able to view if.
> If you notice any typos can you let me know.
>
> regards
> dave
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2013 11:44, John Couzin <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > 7:30 would suit me better but if everybody else goes for 7, I'll do my
> > best to be there in time.
> >
> > On 20 Apr 2013, at 11:41, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
> >
> > > how is thursday at 7pm for everyone
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 April 2013 01:10, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> john i'll have to cancel  Mondays class, sorry but  i will re schedule
> > but
> > >> it  will  need to be later in the week. and  start at 7 as i;ll be
> back
> > >> at  work.
> > >>
> > >> regards
> > >> dave
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 20 April 2013 00:33, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Great 4 suits me much better.     John.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> > >>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2013, 0:28
> > >>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> i can start a 4 if people  want
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi David,
> > >>>>               I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel
> that
> > >>>> would be as much time as I could hold my concentration.  John.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ________________________________
> > >>>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> > >>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org
> >
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way  we
> > would
> > >>>> have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together
> >  a
> > >>>> lesson plan  and  since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll
> use
> > >>>> these  to create a simple  course, and  i'll write up a set of
> course
> > >>>> notes for the first lesson and  distribute  them before  monday,
> i'll
> > >>>> cover  both C++ and PHP  that way people can  chose  which one they
> > >>> want to
> > >>>> use and it  will also let   you see the similarities between the
> > >>> different
> > >>>> languages as well as the differences.  as i've said  one you
> > understand
> > >>>> the  core principals the language is really irrelevant
> > >>>> regards
> > >>>> dave
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> thanks john, what time is suitable for  those interested. as i
> said
> > >>> I'm
> > >>>>>> off
> > >>>>>> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours
> > >>> then. i
> > >>>>>> did
> > >>>>>> notice that the room is booked  already at 7-9 so i was thinking
> > >>> perhaps
> > >>>>>> before  that  if it  was suitable to people starting whenever.
> > >>>>>> i was planning of running it  from the view point that no one has
> > >>> any
> > >>>>>> experience at all. and i'm happy to  cover both PHP and a C
> > >>> language  if
> > >>>>>> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting  to begin with
> >  but
> > >>>> my
> > >>>>>> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to
> > the
> > >>>>>> basic
> > >>>>>> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building
> > on
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> knowledge and previous work to  help you improve your
> understanding.
> > >>>>>> so in the first session i would think the  we  should be able to
> > >>> cover
> > >>>>>> data
> > >>>>>> types, variables,  functions, classes, procedures, objects,
> > >>> libraries,
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>> then use them to look at creating a very  simple  text based dice
> > >>> game.
> > >>>>>> we could then over time look at  how we  would expand this simple
> > >>> game.
> > >>>> i
> > >>>>>> find its always  good to set a  problem and  see what issue arise
> > and
> > >>>> then
> > >>>>>> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of
> > the
> > >>>>>> lesson so everyone  can  benefit  from the improved understanding
> > >>>>>> resolving
> > >>>>>> the issue  has given.
> > >>>>>> regards
> > >>>>>> dave
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>    Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in
> > >>> very
> > >>>>>>> basic
> > >>>>>>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch.
> The
> > >>>> more I
> > >>>>>>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I
> personally
> > >>> was
> > >>>>>>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would
> help
> > >>> we
> > >>>>>>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What
> that
> > >>>>>>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the
> > >>> very
> > >>>>>>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the
> course
> > >>>> along
> > >>>>>>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we
> > could
> > >>>>>>> concentrate on setting a time.    John
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ______________________________**__
> > >>>>>>>  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> > >>>>>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <
> > members at electronclub.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn,  the
> group
> > >>> can
> > >>>>>>> cover them  all as far as concerned as I've said  before all the
> c
> > >>>>>>> languages are part of the same family tree.
> > >>>>>>> i was thinking for the  first group to cover  some main area's of
> > >>>>>>> programming.
> > >>>>>>> Such as  variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc
> and
> > >>>>>>> perhaps
> > >>>>>>> look at the  differences  and similarities between    the
> languages
> > >>>>>>> people
> > >>>>>>> want to learn.
> > >>>>>>> i think it would be good to have  some actual problem to solve,
> > >>> someone
> > >>>>>>> mentioned yathzee  which maybe a bit complicated for the first
> > >>> meeting
> > >>>>>>> but
> > >>>>>>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
> > >>>>>>> by that i mean  we  could look at identifying what would be need
> to
> > >>>>>>> write a
> > >>>>>>> yathzee type  game perhaps starting out with a craps. although
> > >>> someone
> > >>>>>>> would need to  have the rules for  theses games
> > >>>>>>> as we  would need to cover quite a few  of the areas  to  create
> a
> > >>>> simple
> > >>>>>>> dice game.
> > >>>>>>> regards
> > >>>>>>> dave
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Yep...  Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million
> > >>> apologies, I
> > >>>>>>> have
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> let everyone down.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently
> to
> > >>> know
> > >>>>>>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But
> > >>> don't
> > >>>>>>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go
> > with
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Blair
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
> > >>>>>>>>> experience
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most
> popular
> > >>>>>>>>> platform
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> for beginners.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well.
> > >>> Though
> > >>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>> know
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever
> > >>> did
> > >>>>>>>>> was in
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
> > >>>>>>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of
> the
> > >>>>>>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime
> > >>> overheads
> > >>>> etc
> > >>>>>>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that
> C++
> > >>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Cheers
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Martin
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