[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming

DAVID BALL dave.ball2 at virgin.net
Fri Apr 19 23:28:02 UTC 2013 

i can start a 4 if people  want


On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>                I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that
> would be as much time as I could hold my concentration.  John.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03
> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>
>
> So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way  we would
> have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together  a
> lesson plan  and  since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use
> these  to create a simple  course, and  i'll write up a set of  course
> notes for the first lesson and  distribute  them before  monday,  i'll
> cover  both C++ and PHP  that way people can  chose  which one they want to
> use and it  will also let   you see the similarities between the  different
> languages as well as the differences.  as i've said  one you understand
> the  core principals the language is really irrelevant
> regards
> dave
>
>
> On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
> >
> >> thanks john, what time is suitable for  those interested. as i said I'm
> >> off
> >> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours then. i
> >> did
> >> notice that the room is booked  already at 7-9 so i was thinking perhaps
> >> before  that  if it  was suitable to people starting whenever.
> >> i was planning of running it  from the view point that no one has  any
> >> experience at all. and i'm happy to  cover both PHP and a C language  if
> >> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting  to begin with  but
> my
> >> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to the
> >> basic
> >> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on
> the
> >> knowledge and previous work to  help you improve your understanding.
> >> so in the first session i would think the  we  should be able to cover
> >> data
> >> types, variables,  functions, classes, procedures, objects, libraries,
> >>  and
> >> then use them to look at creating a very  simple  text based dice  game.
> >> we could then over time look at  how we  would expand this simple game.
> i
> >> find its always  good to set a  problem and  see what issue arise and
> then
> >> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the
> >> lesson so everyone  can  benefit  from the improved understanding
> >> resolving
> >> the issue  has given.
> >> regards
> >> dave
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Hi,
> >>>     Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in very
> >>> basic
> >>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The
> more I
> >>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally was
> >>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help we
> >>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that
> >>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the very
> >>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course
> along
> >>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we could
> >>> concentrate on setting a time.    John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________**__
> >>>   From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
> >>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
> >>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
> >>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn,  the group can
> >>> cover them  all as far as concerned as I've said  before all the c
> >>> languages are part of the same family tree.
> >>> i was thinking for the  first group to cover  some main area's of
> >>> programming.
> >>> Such as  variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and
> >>> perhaps
> >>> look at the  differences  and similarities between    the languages
> >>> people
> >>> want to learn.
> >>> i think it would be good to have  some actual problem to solve, someone
> >>> mentioned yathzee  which maybe a bit complicated for the first meeting
> >>>  but
> >>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
> >>> by that i mean  we  could look at identifying what would be need to
> >>> write a
> >>> yathzee type  game perhaps starting out with a craps. although someone
> >>> would need to  have the rules for  theses games
> >>> as we  would need to cover quite a few  of the areas  to  create a
> simple
> >>> dice game.
> >>> regards
> >>> dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Yep...  Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million apologies, I
> >>>>
> >>> have
> >>>
> >>>> let everyone down.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to know
> >>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But don't
> >>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with
> that
> >>>>
> >>>> Blair
> >>>>
> >>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> experience
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> platform
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> for beginners.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well. Though
> I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> know
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> was in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the
> >>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime overheads
> etc
> >>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++ for
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>
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