[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
Blair Thompson
mail at justblair.co.uk
Fri Apr 19 21:23:04 UTC 2013
I am working I am afraid. Sounds good though.
Blair
JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>Hi David,
> I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that
>would be as much time as I could hold my concentration. John.
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03
>Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>
>
>So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way we
>would
>have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together a
>lesson plan and since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use
>these to create a simple course, and i'll write up a set of course
>notes for the first lesson and distribute them before monday, i'll
>cover both C++ and PHP that way people can chose which one they
>want to
>use and it will also let you see the similarities between the
>different
>languages as well as the differences. as i've said one you understand
>the core principals the language is really irrelevant
>regards
>dave
>
>
>On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
>>
>>> thanks john, what time is suitable for those interested. as i said
>I'm
>>> off
>>> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours
>then. i
>>> did
>>> notice that the room is booked already at 7-9 so i was thinking
>perhaps
>>> before that if it was suitable to people starting whenever.
>>> i was planning of running it from the view point that no one has
>any
>>> experience at all. and i'm happy to cover both PHP and a C
>language if
>>> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting to begin with
>but my
>>> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to
>the
>>> basic
>>> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building
>on the
>>> knowledge and previous work to help you improve your understanding.
>>> so in the first session i would think the we should be able to
>cover
>>> data
>>> types, variables, functions, classes, procedures, objects,
>libraries,
>>> and
>>> then use them to look at creating a very simple text based dice
>game.
>>> we could then over time look at how we would expand this simple
>game. i
>>> find its always good to set a problem and see what issue arise
>and then
>>> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of
>the
>>> lesson so everyone can benefit from the improved understanding
>>> resolving
>>> the issue has given.
>>> regards
>>> dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
>wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>> Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in
>very
>>>> basic
>>>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The
>more I
>>>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally
>was
>>>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help
>we
>>>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that
>>>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the
>very
>>>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course
>along
>>>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we
>could
>>>> concentrate on setting a time. John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club
><members at electronclub.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
>>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn, the group
>can
>>>> cover them all as far as concerned as I've said before all the c
>>>> languages are part of the same family tree.
>>>> i was thinking for the first group to cover some main area's of
>>>> programming.
>>>> Such as variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and
>>>> perhaps
>>>> look at the differences and similarities between the languages
>>>> people
>>>> want to learn.
>>>> i think it would be good to have some actual problem to solve,
>someone
>>>> mentioned yathzee which maybe a bit complicated for the first
>meeting
>>>> but
>>>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
>>>> by that i mean we could look at identifying what would be need to
>>>> write a
>>>> yathzee type game perhaps starting out with a craps. although
>someone
>>>> would need to have the rules for theses games
>>>> as we would need to cover quite a few of the areas to create a
>simple
>>>> dice game.
>>>> regards
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep... Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million
>apologies, I
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>> let everyone down.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to
>know
>>>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But
>don't
>>>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go
>with that
>>>>>
>>>>> Blair
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> platform
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for beginners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well.
>Though I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> know
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever
>did
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the
>>>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime
>overheads etc
>>>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++
>for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
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