[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming

DAVID BALL dave.ball2 at virgin.net
Fri Apr 19 13:03:58 UTC 2013 

So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way  we would
have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together  a
lesson plan  and  since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use
these  to create a simple  course, and  i'll write up a set of  course
notes for the first lesson and  distribute  them before  monday,  i'll
cover  both C++ and PHP  that way people can  chose  which one they want to
use and it  will also let   you see the similarities between the  different
languages as well as the differences.  as i've said  one you understand
the  core principals the language is really irrelevant
regards
dave


On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:

> Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
>
>
>
> On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
>
>> thanks john, what time is suitable for  those interested. as i said I'm
>> off
>> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours then. i
>> did
>> notice that the room is booked  already at 7-9 so i was thinking perhaps
>> before  that  if it  was suitable to people starting whenever.
>> i was planning of running it  from the view point that no one has  any
>> experience at all. and i'm happy to  cover both PHP and a C language  if
>> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting  to begin with  but  my
>> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to the
>> basic
>> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on the
>> knowledge and previous work to  help you improve your understanding.
>> so in the first session i would think the  we  should be able to cover
>> data
>> types, variables,  functions, classes, procedures, objects, libraries,
>>  and
>> then use them to look at creating a very  simple  text based dice  game.
>> we could then over time look at  how we  would expand this simple game. i
>> find its always  good to set a  problem and  see what issue arise and then
>> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the
>> lesson so everyone  can  benefit  from the improved understanding
>> resolving
>> the issue  has given.
>> regards
>> dave
>>
>>
>> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>     Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in very
>>> basic
>>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The more I
>>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally was
>>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help we
>>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that
>>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the very
>>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course along
>>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we could
>>> concentrate on setting a time.    John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__
>>>   From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>>>
>>>
>>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn,  the group can
>>> cover them  all as far as concerned as I've said  before all the c
>>> languages are part of the same family tree.
>>> i was thinking for the  first group to cover  some main area's of
>>> programming.
>>> Such as  variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and
>>> perhaps
>>> look at the  differences  and similarities between    the languages
>>> people
>>> want to learn.
>>> i think it would be good to have  some actual problem to solve, someone
>>> mentioned yathzee  which maybe a bit complicated for the first meeting
>>>  but
>>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
>>> by that i mean  we  could look at identifying what would be need to
>>> write a
>>> yathzee type  game perhaps starting out with a craps. although someone
>>> would need to  have the rules for  theses games
>>> as we  would need to cover quite a few  of the areas  to  create a simple
>>> dice game.
>>> regards
>>> dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yep...  Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million apologies, I
>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>> let everyone down.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to know
>>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But don't
>>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with that
>>>>
>>>> Blair
>>>>
>>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
>>>>>>
>>>>> experience
>>>>>
>>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular
>>>>>>
>>>>> platform
>>>>>
>>>>>> for beginners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well. Though I
>>>>>>
>>>>> know
>>>>>
>>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did
>>>>>>
>>>>> was in
>>>>>
>>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the
>>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime overheads etc
>>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++ for
>>>>> the
>>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
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