[ELECTRON] members Digest, Vol 23, Issue 8

[Blair Thompson]

My 2p...

I think that a forum is not only a more modern communication method, it has
several advantages in terms of outreach.

When I first encountered ElectronClub online, I was mystified as to what it
was about.  When new users experience the site, being able to browse
conversations in forums allows potential members to get a taster as to what
is going on.  

Other advantages:

With forum structures it is easier I think to separate conversations and
hence to follow what is going on.

For those that don't like off topic/political conversations, simply stay
away from the off topic board.

Most forum software allows users to subscribe to topics of interest, whole
sections, or the whole board and receive e-mail notifications to taste.  

Forums provide the search engines with keywords a plenty... Great for
finding potential new members... or rather for them to find you.

Modern forums allow the sharing of files and displaying images.  Adds a new
element to updates on meetings, or even lets your users share their
accomplishments/projects.

Conversations can flow in near real time... Not as fast as mirc, quicker
than mailing lists.

People can edit posts that need correcting, ie to remove accidental error or
to clarify posts.  

Rather than have separate members to separate lists, cross pollination of
ideas can occur in forums.  Sure people will have their own neighbourhoods
or areas of interest, but members of one group can post in another section
when that expertise is required.
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Disadvantages...

Search engines love em, so do spammers!  Moderators (and/or damn clever
software) are kinda essential to keep the place clean.  

Not everyone is comfortable with them, though that is just as (or even more
true) for mailing lists.

I think that having both forums and lists gets difficult.  As said before,
the conversation will undoubtedly be split. 
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I am on the side of forums (can you tell?).  It is a more open form of
conversation in my mind and I think it will encourage more people in to
Electron Club groups.  Having more of the clubs business in the public eye
will encourage membership and involvement.  

Respectfully

Blair Thompson

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: forums v. mailing lists (Thomas Coles)
   2. Re: forums v. mailing lists (Martin McGrath)
   3. Re: forums v. mailing lists (Simon Yuill)
   4. Re: forums v. mailing lists (rathgild at gmail.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:47:20 +0000
From: Thomas Coles <tomcoles at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] forums v. mailing lists
To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
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Hi all,

Is there not a Usenet/GoogleGroups style way of having a web-client for the
archives, that could be formatted/viewed in a online-forum style manner?

I'd quite like to see the archives anyway, are they kept?

My worry would be, as Martin suggests, mixed messages. Also in my
experience, have two communications systems leads to one becoming 'chatty'
and the other 'official'. They develop cultures of their own leading to
community splits: especially as email/mailing lists are seen as more
'difficult', and therefore become elitist.....

ideas?

best

Tom
(lurker)

On 13 January 2011 13:27, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> thanks for bringing this topic up.
>
> IMHO a forum would be great. It could improve the participatory aspect 
> of each single EC group, while, as you said, make easier for new 
> comers to get involved and realize what's going on.
>
> In my experience it was a bit difficult to start the Pd group only via 
> emails.
>
> I think it's a very good idea, although, we should consider the needed 
> work to build it and make/keep it running.
>
> cheers,
> Marco
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Ben Dembroski <ben at dembroski.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> The last members introduction made me think that it might be a good 
>> idea to set up a members forum on the EC website [instead of / in 
>> conjunction with] setting up a mailing list for each group that might
need such a thing
>> ?   That way, it might be easier for new members or interested parties to
>> see what it's all about.
>>
>> Or is it just too much overhead for something that wouldn't be used 
>> all that much?
>>
>> If there is interest, I could look into possible solutions and get 
>> back to the list.
>>
>> 2p for the day!
>>
>> --
>> Ben D.
>>
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>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD
> Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing 
> MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:39:23 +0000
From: Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] forums v. mailing lists
To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
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Kinda related to this, I'd suggest the version of Mailman be upgraded to the
latest version, all previous versions are susceptible to XSS attack.

On 13 January 2011 13:47, Thomas Coles <tomcoles at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Is there not a Usenet/GoogleGroups style way of having a web-client 
> for the archives, that could be formatted/viewed in a online-forum style
manner?
>
> I'd quite like to see the archives anyway, are they kept?
>
> My worry would be, as Martin suggests, mixed messages. Also in my 
> experience, have two communications systems leads to one becoming 'chatty'
> and the other 'official'. They develop cultures of their own leading 
> to community splits: especially as email/mailing lists are seen as 
> more 'difficult', and therefore become elitist.....
>
> ideas?
>
> best
>
> Tom
> (lurker)
>
>
> On 13 January 2011 13:27, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>> thanks for bringing this topic up.
>>
>> IMHO a forum would be great. It could improve the participatory 
>> aspect of each single EC group, while, as you said, make easier for 
>> new comers to get involved and realize what's going on.
>>
>> In my experience it was a bit difficult to start the Pd group only 
>> via emails.
>>
>> I think it's a very good idea, although, we should consider the 
>> needed work to build it and make/keep it running.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Marco
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Ben Dembroski <ben at dembroski.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> The last members introduction made me think that it might be a good 
>>> idea to set up a members forum on the EC website [instead of / in 
>>> conjunction with] setting up a mailing list for each group that might
need such a thing
>>> ?   That way, it might be easier for new members or interested parties
to
>>> see what it's all about.
>>>
>>> Or is it just too much overhead for something that wouldn't be used 
>>> all that much?
>>>
>>> If there is interest, I could look into possible solutions and get 
>>> back to the list.
>>>
>>> 2p for the day!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ben D.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> members mailing list
>>> members at electronclub.org
>>> http://lists.electronclub.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/members
>>>
>>> Instructions for changing your mailing list settings:
>>> http://lists.electronclub.org/emailhowto.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD
>> Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing 
>> MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK
>>
>>
>> PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | 
>> http://www.flxer.net
>> EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:00:50 -0000 (UTC)
From: "Simon Yuill" <simon at lipparosa.org>
Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] forums v. mailing lists
To: "Discussion list for the Electron Club" <members at electronclub.org>
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The mailing list is archived here:

http://lists.electronclub.org/pipermail/members/

I have amended the signatures for emails on this list so they will now
include this link at the foot of each email as well.

Will update mailman when I get a chance.

best wishes
Si


> Kinda related to this, I'd suggest the version of Mailman be upgraded 
> to the latest version, all previous versions are susceptible to XSS 
> attack.
>
> On 13 January 2011 13:47, Thomas Coles <tomcoles at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is there not a Usenet/GoogleGroups style way of having a web-client 
>> for the archives, that could be formatted/viewed in a online-forum 
>> style manner?
>>
>> I'd quite like to see the archives anyway, are they kept?
>>
>> My worry would be, as Martin suggests, mixed messages. Also in my 
>> experience, have two communications systems leads to one becoming 
>> 'chatty'
>> and the other 'official'. They develop cultures of their own leading 
>> to community splits: especially as email/mailing lists are seen as 
>> more 'difficult', and therefore become elitist.....
>>
>> ideas?
>>
>> best
>>
>> Tom
>> (lurker)
>>
>>
>> On 13 January 2011 13:27, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> thanks for bringing this topic up.
>>>
>>> IMHO a forum would be great. It could improve the participatory 
>>> aspect of each single EC group, while, as you said, make easier for 
>>> new comers to get involved and realize what's going on.
>>>
>>> In my experience it was a bit difficult to start the Pd group only 
>>> via emails.
>>>
>>> I think it's a very good idea, although, we should consider the 
>>> needed work to build it and make/keep it running.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Marco
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Ben Dembroski <ben at dembroski.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>> The last members introduction made me think that it might be a good 
>>>> idea to set up a members forum on the EC website [instead of / in 
>>>> conjunction with] setting up a mailing list for each group that 
>>>> might need such a thing
>>>> ?   That way, it might be easier for new members or interested parties
>>>> to
>>>> see what it's all about.
>>>>
>>>> Or is it just too much overhead for something that wouldn't be used 
>>>> all that much?
>>>>
>>>> If there is interest, I could look into possible solutions and get 
>>>> back to the list.
>>>>
>>>> 2p for the day!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ben D.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> members mailing list
>>>> members at electronclub.org
>>>> http://lists.electronclub.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/members
>>>>
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>>>> http://lists.electronclub.org/emailhowto.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD
>>> Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing 
>>> MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK
>>>
>>>
>>> PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | 
>>> http://www.flxer.net
>>> EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
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>>>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:21:40 +0000
From: rathgild at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] forums v. mailing lists
To: "Discussion list for the Electron Club" <members at electronclub.org>
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Hi

I'm not an active participant of the lists, but I like to keep up to date
with what's happening.  I've found that I've lost touch with groups that
have moved onto a forum basis instead of mailing lists. This is mainly
because you have to go out of your way to login rather than having messages
delivered to a mail box and lurkers like myself are less likely to make the
effort.  

Just my $0.02

Regards

Jan G

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