[ELECTRON] making use of public spaces in Scotlad

Paola Di Maio paola.dimaio at gmail.com
Wed Aug 18 13:33:07 UTC 2010 

sure

by unconference I mean a place where people can choose their own agenda
rather than having someone decide for them

workshop is fine

let me know when the idea matures

P

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Bob <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:

> Well maybe a workshop rather than an unconference. There is quite a lot of
> academic research, knowledge of law and campaigns that have achieved good
> things. The problem is and was recognised at the conference the
> "Environmental Law Centre" held, and also through my own efforts is -
> increasing awareness at the grassroots level.
>
> In the field ideas, getting people out and about, photographing, recording
> - is kind of what I personal think is needed. I am not saying there is no
> need to do the other, unconferencing and so on. It is more (to me) in
> getting folk engaged in awareness of CG through doing things - a much faster
> route to learning and awareness. Having said that I am interested and would
> support any ideas folk come up with. I am happy to talk about what I know to
> think a few things out. Ch Bob
>
>
>
> Ch Bob
>
>
> On 18/08/2010 13:06, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>
>> Bob
>>
>> definitely a topic I d like to see an unconference about :-)
>>
>> 'the commons in Scotland'
>>
>> I found these background resources
>>
>> http://www.scottishcommons.org/docs/commonweal_1.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> http://communitylandtrusts.org.uk/cms/resources/uploads/File/history_and_background(1).pdf
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Paola Di Maio<paola.dimaio at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  thanks Bob, and Nina
>>>
>>> yes I had seen some activity re the common good (some event took place
>>> earlier this year)
>>>
>>> where I come from (dont ask) this stuff comes under a broader topic,
>>> which
>>> is 'the commons'
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
>>>
>>> there is a big global movement that concerns itself with the common good,
>>>  while we follow creative commons as 'common intellectual property'
>>> there are other important pieces of the commons puzzle, startin from the
>>> law of the commons
>>>
>>> http://onthecommons.org/law-commons
>>>
>>> I would think that the work being done under inthecommongood website may
>>> benefit from being aligned to the wider global movement
>>> to leverage its strenght, in terms of knowledge and resources
>>> It may benefit from being clustered under the bigger umbrella
>>>
>>> lots of work to be done,  shall we organise an unconference where people
>>> can provide an overview
>>> of each different summary and perspective, then ask people to participate
>>> in the movement by
>>> sharing someting of their own for the common good?
>>>
>>> or something?
>>>
>>> PDM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bob<bob at citystrolls.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi P. Common Good?
>>>>
>>>> Sorta thing the common good could and should be used for
>>>> http://www.inthecommongood.org/
>>>>
>>>> There is tons of space around, unfortunately it is being sold from under
>>>> our noses. Two problems with the common good is. 1. the lack of
>>>> awareness
>>>> that it exists and 2. The lack of interest in its use as an organising
>>>> tool
>>>> in creating "true" public institutions for the uses that you are
>>>> describing.
>>>> Have a look B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17/08/2010 13:22, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> Useful info as an example of social enterprise, and probably material
>>>>> for
>>>>> a
>>>>> case study
>>>>>
>>>>>  the model is fantastic and precisely what I d like to see more of,
>>>>> especially when it comes to
>>>>> organisations that advertise themselves as 'social enterprises'
>>>>>
>>>>> Contributing  at least some organisational resources go common use
>>>>> should
>>>>> be
>>>>> a condition of all social enterprises
>>>>> or at least, should be brownie points for  any publicly funded projects
>>>>> imho
>>>>>
>>>>> Tons of public spaces funded by public money in Edinburgh, how come
>>>>> nobody
>>>>> is offering a room for
>>>>> people to use in self managed, open way?
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard someone is auditing all the underused space and maybe we can
>>>>> make
>>>>> a
>>>>> case for better administration of the same at some point
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course well done to everyone for managing the use of the CCA open
>>>>> space
>>>>> so creatively and diligently
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that
>>>>>
>>>>> let us se if we can replicate it elsewhere
>>>>>
>>>>> PDM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Benjamin Dembroski<ben at dembroski.net
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the Electron Club is in a pretty unusual (and lucky)
>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like Bob said, A few years ago the CCA approached a group of
>>>>>> like-minded people to see if we were interested in using a the small
>>>>>> space in the corner of the CCA.  The jist of it was: They gave us use
>>>>>> of the space, electrics, internet connection, some furniture, and some
>>>>>> older computers to use.  We could do pretty much anything we wanted,
>>>>>> provided that a) it wasn't illegal and, b) was in some way publicly
>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest was determined by the group.  We made up a few more rules
>>>>>> that about how the organisation would work, what it was for, and what
>>>>>> kinds of activities were a no-no.  That was it.  The Electron Club was
>>>>>> born!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the only reason the CCA can justify donating the space to us&
>>>>>> losing the rental income for the office space is that the EC hosts
>>>>>> regular, free events that could be considered "Community Outreach".
>>>>>> (Or whatever you want to call it.) So, in exchange for a the loss of a
>>>>>> little rental income, the CCA gets a gaggle of motivated volunteers
>>>>>> that do all sorts of interesting things for free that the CCA can lay
>>>>>> claim to supporting.  It can only help their applications for funding,
>>>>>> and support.   That's why it's so important to keep the room full and
>>>>>> busy as much as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use it or lose it, so the saying goes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that sheds a little light on the conditions the EC operates
>>>>>> under.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ben D.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Bob<bob at citystrolls.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Sounds like a good plan supporting groups already established. The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  electron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  doesn't cost anything and was given over to artists and folk Si et al
>>>>>>> working in IT, but there is no restrictions in what the space can be
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> for so long as it ain't illegal. Be hard pushed to find a situation
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> that in Edin, or anywhere else for that matter:). Good luck in your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  search.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17/08/2010 11:59, chris h wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can someone provide some background as to what kind of deal does
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Electron Club enter into with CCA, and any suggestions of where to
>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>> for something similar in Edinburgh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Autonomous Centre of Edinburgh has space and is under-utilised
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  the week. There's an occasional tech-night event there and people
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be likely to be interested in carrying something like that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Probably some tidying up required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.autonomous.org.uk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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