[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming

DAVID BALL dave.ball2 at virgin.net
Sat Apr 20 21:45:28 UTC 2013 

Ok  just noticed that there is  a linux user group on this Thursday so I'll
start the course the following Thursday  the 2nd of May I've book the room
regards
dave


On 20 April 2013 22:38, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:

> Ok  I'll  book the room  form 7 with a start time of 7:30  for the class
> and we will  have an hour class ending at 8.30. please find attached the
> course notes for the first part of the course. I've had to  zip it due to
> the size issue as its an rtf file so everyone should be  able to view if.
> If you notice any typos can you let me know.
>
> regards
> dave
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2013 11:44, John Couzin <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> 7:30 would suit me better but if everybody else goes for 7, I'll do my
>> best to be there in time.
>>
>> On 20 Apr 2013, at 11:41, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>> > how is thursday at 7pm for everyone
>> >
>> >
>> > On 20 April 2013 01:10, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> john i'll have to cancel  Mondays class, sorry but  i will re schedule
>> but
>> >> it  will  need to be later in the week. and  start at 7 as i;ll be
>>  back
>> >> at  work.
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >> dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 20 April 2013 00:33, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Great 4 suits me much better.     John.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ________________________________
>> >>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>> >>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2013, 0:28
>> >>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> i can start a 4 if people  want
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi David,
>> >>>>               I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel
>> that
>> >>>> would be as much time as I could hold my concentration.  John.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>> >>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way  we
>> would
>> >>>> have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together
>>  a
>> >>>> lesson plan  and  since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use
>> >>>> these  to create a simple  course, and  i'll write up a set of
>>  course
>> >>>> notes for the first lesson and  distribute  them before  monday,
>>  i'll
>> >>>> cover  both C++ and PHP  that way people can  chose  which one they
>> >>> want to
>> >>>> use and it  will also let   you see the similarities between the
>> >>> different
>> >>>> languages as well as the differences.  as i've said  one you
>> understand
>> >>>> the  core principals the language is really irrelevant
>> >>>> regards
>> >>>> dave
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> thanks john, what time is suitable for  those interested. as i said
>> >>> I'm
>> >>>>>> off
>> >>>>>> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours
>> >>> then. i
>> >>>>>> did
>> >>>>>> notice that the room is booked  already at 7-9 so i was thinking
>> >>> perhaps
>> >>>>>> before  that  if it  was suitable to people starting whenever.
>> >>>>>> i was planning of running it  from the view point that no one has
>> >>> any
>> >>>>>> experience at all. and i'm happy to  cover both PHP and a C
>> >>> language  if
>> >>>>>> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting  to begin with
>>  but
>> >>>> my
>> >>>>>> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to
>> the
>> >>>>>> basic
>> >>>>>> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building
>> on
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>> knowledge and previous work to  help you improve your
>> understanding.
>> >>>>>> so in the first session i would think the  we  should be able to
>> >>> cover
>> >>>>>> data
>> >>>>>> types, variables,  functions, classes, procedures, objects,
>> >>> libraries,
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> then use them to look at creating a very  simple  text based dice
>> >>> game.
>> >>>>>> we could then over time look at  how we  would expand this simple
>> >>> game.
>> >>>> i
>> >>>>>> find its always  good to set a  problem and  see what issue arise
>> and
>> >>>> then
>> >>>>>> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of
>> the
>> >>>>>> lesson so everyone  can  benefit  from the improved understanding
>> >>>>>> resolving
>> >>>>>> the issue  has given.
>> >>>>>> regards
>> >>>>>> dave
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>    Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in
>> >>> very
>> >>>>>>> basic
>> >>>>>>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The
>> >>>> more I
>> >>>>>>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I
>> personally
>> >>> was
>> >>>>>>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would
>> help
>> >>> we
>> >>>>>>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that
>> >>>>>>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the
>> >>> very
>> >>>>>>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course
>> >>>> along
>> >>>>>>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we
>> could
>> >>>>>>> concentrate on setting a time.    John
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**__
>> >>>>>>>  From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>> >>>>>>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <
>> members at electronclub.org
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn,  the group
>> >>> can
>> >>>>>>> cover them  all as far as concerned as I've said  before all the c
>> >>>>>>> languages are part of the same family tree.
>> >>>>>>> i was thinking for the  first group to cover  some main area's of
>> >>>>>>> programming.
>> >>>>>>> Such as  variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and
>> >>>>>>> perhaps
>> >>>>>>> look at the  differences  and similarities between    the
>> languages
>> >>>>>>> people
>> >>>>>>> want to learn.
>> >>>>>>> i think it would be good to have  some actual problem to solve,
>> >>> someone
>> >>>>>>> mentioned yathzee  which maybe a bit complicated for the first
>> >>> meeting
>> >>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
>> >>>>>>> by that i mean  we  could look at identifying what would be need
>> to
>> >>>>>>> write a
>> >>>>>>> yathzee type  game perhaps starting out with a craps. although
>> >>> someone
>> >>>>>>> would need to  have the rules for  theses games
>> >>>>>>> as we  would need to cover quite a few  of the areas  to  create a
>> >>>> simple
>> >>>>>>> dice game.
>> >>>>>>> regards
>> >>>>>>> dave
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Yep...  Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million
>> >>> apologies, I
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> let everyone down.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to
>> >>> know
>> >>>>>>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But
>> >>> don't
>> >>>>>>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go
>> with
>> >>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Blair
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
>> >>>>>>>>> experience
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular
>> >>>>>>>>> platform
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> for beginners.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well.
>> >>> Though
>> >>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>> know
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever
>> >>> did
>> >>>>>>>>> was in
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
>> >>>>>>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the
>> >>>>>>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime
>> >>> overheads
>> >>>> etc
>> >>>>>>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that
>> C++
>> >>> for
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Martin
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