[ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
DAVID BALL
dave.ball2 at virgin.net
Fri Apr 19 23:52:13 UTC 2013
I'm sorry i'll need to postpone the class, i think i've picked up the
norovirus and don't want to pass it on. ill reschedule it if people can
let me know which days and times would suit. since i'll be back at work
it will need to be after 7.
and friday is out as thats when i have physio and i'm too knackered after
it to do much of anything.
once again sorry but you don't want yo catch this trust me.
regards
dave
On 20 April 2013 00:28, DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net> wrote:
> i can start a 4 if people want
>
>
> On 19 April 2013 22:20, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>> I can't make it before 4 o'clock on Monday but feel that
>> would be as much time as I could hold my concentration. John.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 14:03
>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>>
>>
>> So how about having it on Monday and starting at 3pm? that way we would
>> have plenty of time before the 7 o'clock meeting. i can put together a
>> lesson plan and since there are plenty of tutorials online I'll use
>> these to create a simple course, and i'll write up a set of course
>> notes for the first lesson and distribute them before monday, i'll
>> cover both C++ and PHP that way people can chose which one they want
>> to
>> use and it will also let you see the similarities between the
>> different
>> languages as well as the differences. as i've said one you understand
>> the core principals the language is really irrelevant
>> regards
>> dave
>>
>>
>> On 19 April 2013 13:50, Bob Hamilton <bob at citystrolls.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Sounds good to me. Any time is cool. Ch Bob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19/04/2013 13:08, DAVID BALL wrote:
>> >
>> >> thanks john, what time is suitable for those interested. as i said I'm
>> >> off
>> >> this Monday so was wondering if we could have a couple of hours then. i
>> >> did
>> >> notice that the room is booked already at 7-9 so i was thinking
>> perhaps
>> >> before that if it was suitable to people starting whenever.
>> >> i was planning of running it from the view point that no one has any
>> >> experience at all. and i'm happy to cover both PHP and a C language
>> if
>> >> that is useful. i know it can seem quite daunting to begin with but
>> my
>> >> plan is to work through some simple examples. getting you used to the
>> >> basic
>> >> principal, getting you to tackle some simple problems and building on
>> the
>> >> knowledge and previous work to help you improve your understanding.
>> >> so in the first session i would think the we should be able to cover
>> >> data
>> >> types, variables, functions, classes, procedures, objects, libraries,
>> >> and
>> >> then use them to look at creating a very simple text based dice
>> game.
>> >> we could then over time look at how we would expand this simple
>> game. i
>> >> find its always good to set a problem and see what issue arise and
>> then
>> >> tackle the issue and use any issues people have in the wrap up of the
>> >> lesson so everyone can benefit from the improved understanding
>> >> resolving
>> >> the issue has given.
>> >> regards
>> >> dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 19 April 2013 12:35, JOHN COUZIN <john.c.at95 at btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>> Bob and I were the ones who suggested some sort of course in very
>> >>> basic
>> >>> coding, and I admit that my knowledge in this field is ziltch. The
>> more I
>> >>> read the flowing emails, the more confused I get. What I personally
>> was
>> >>> looking for was some very basic knowledge in coding that would help we
>> >>> further develop my wordpress site and my mediawiki site. What that
>> >>> knowledge would be I'm not at all sure. so for me it would be the very
>> >>> basics. I would leave it up to the "teacher" to lay out the course
>> along
>> >>> the lines that he thinks are best suit to that purpose, and we could
>> >>> concentrate on setting a time. John
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ______________________________**__
>> >>> From: DAVID BALL <dave.ball2 at virgin.net>
>> >>> To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013, 11:54
>> >>> Subject: Re: [ELECTRON] Beginners Programming
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Blair I don't care which language people want to learn, the group can
>> >>> cover them all as far as concerned as I've said before all the c
>> >>> languages are part of the same family tree.
>> >>> i was thinking for the first group to cover some main area's of
>> >>> programming.
>> >>> Such as variables, types, classes, functions, procedures, etc and
>> >>> perhaps
>> >>> look at the differences and similarities between the languages
>> >>> people
>> >>> want to learn.
>> >>> i think it would be good to have some actual problem to solve,
>> someone
>> >>> mentioned yathzee which maybe a bit complicated for the first meeting
>> >>> but
>> >>> perhaps we can use it as a starting point.
>> >>> by that i mean we could look at identifying what would be need to
>> >>> write a
>> >>> yathzee type game perhaps starting out with a craps. although someone
>> >>> would need to have the rules for theses games
>> >>> as we would need to cover quite a few of the areas to create a
>> simple
>> >>> dice game.
>> >>> regards
>> >>> dave
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 19 April 2013 10:24, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Yep... Got me, I was sloppy with my language. A million apologies, I
>> >>>>
>> >>> have
>> >>>
>> >>>> let everyone down.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't know the difference between the languages sufficiently to
>> know
>> >>>> which is best. Probably best to go with C then if anything. But don't
>> >>>> choose on my requests. If PHP is more useful to people then go with
>> that
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Blair
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Martin McGrath <mcgrath.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 18 April 2013 23:36, Blair Thompson <mail at justblair.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Depends on your choice of microprocessor. Arduino is where my
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> experience
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> lies and it's c++ based as well as being about the most popular
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> platform
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> for beginners.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Anything I have seen for the msp430 has been in c++ as well.
>> Though I
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> know
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> you can develop in c with it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> But I am no expert in these matters. The only pic stuff I ever did
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> was in
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> a language called Jal that never really took off.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Ah Microprocessor vs Microcontroller.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> IIRC the Arduino core libs are written in C and C++, most of the
>> >>>>> application code I've seen is written in C.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Plain old C has many advantages, less bloat, less runtime overheads
>> etc
>> >>>>> which I'd have thought would have made it more appealing that C++
>> for
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> Arduino, given the fairly limited resources.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Martin
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