[ELECTRON] separate political mailing list?

[Ian Bitmap]

Thanks for clearing that up Ben/Magnus, and apologies for airing my
frustrations; I'm perhaps in a minority with my disregard for the movement,
so will wish you all well with your efforts; 'Power to the People' etc

On 30 January 2012 12:18, Benjamin Dembroski <ben at dembroski.net> wrote:

> Magnus is 100% correct regarding what the club was setup for in the first
> instance.
>
> Of course, things change and as has been said ad nauseam on this list
> before there will always be members who are more political than others.  As
> long as there is some kind of technology or hacking based theme to the
> discussion, it is appropriate for this list.
>
> I think it's important for all the members to realise something about how
> the EC is able to exist at all.  At the moment, the CCA donates use of the
> space to the Electron Club.  It's common sense to think that there are
> plenty of other uses that the space could be used for, many of which could
> be to generate revenue for the CCA (which they are short of, like almost
> all arts institutions).  The only way that the CCA can justify the loss of
> revenue / use of the space is to demonstrate that there is another, perhaps
> greater, benefit to the CCA by having the EC sitting in there.   This
> roughly translates to 'public outreach'.  In other words, it's easy to
> justify the EC when activities that are based in the Club positively affect
> the public that the CCA intends to serve.
>
> Like it or not, it's the 'political' groups like Document, RIB, and the
> like that engage in these activities the most often and therefore are
> viewed as the most 'valuable' by our landlords.  Rather than being
> disparaging of 'Citizen Smith', you might want to thank him/her for
> supporting your ability to use the club space for whatever you'd like, for
> free (which you will always be welcome to do as long as the club exists).
>
> My apologies for the tone of this message, but the repeated talk of "The
> Electron Club is not political" is very much a matter of cutting your nose
> off to spite your face. The actual situation needed to be made very clear.
>
> Best,
> Ben D.
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2012, at 11:39, Ian Bitmap wrote:
>
> > why don't we just disregard the politics altogether? Just because I'm
> > interested in open source software does not automatically mean I wish to
> > save the rain forest, adopt a panda or indeed 'smash the state'. The
> recent
> > uprising(?) of the 99% seems to have the air of a 'Citizen Smith' remake,
> > albeit with facebook replacing soapboxes - so please, if just for
> > intellectual refuge, lets leave the politics to the armchair pundits and
> > 1st year social studies students, and get back to what the club was setup
> > for.
> >
> > On 29 January 2012 23:15, James Beeley <james.beeley at ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'd rather the political stuff went onto a separate list. I'm following
> >> the reprap discussion with great interest, but I really don't want to
> >> read about anarchism and the like.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 22:38 +0000, Benjamin Dembroski wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Lately, there's been a bunch of emails regarding the reprap stuff.  It
> >> sounds like things are progressing, and sounds like a very interesting
> and
> >> worthwhile project.  However, The discussion is getting increasingly
> >> specialised.
> >>>
> >>> Given the number of emails, and that they are really only pertinent to
> a
> >> subset of EC members, would it make sense to make a separate mailing
> list
> >> to keep the noise down on the general EC list?
> >>>
> >>> Just a thought,
> >>> Ben D.
> >>>
> >>>
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