[ELECTRON] GLASGOW STUDENTS AGAINST CUTS: Monday 29th November: New Glasgow-wide day of education/planning against cuts and for resistance

Ian Bitmap bitmap303 at googlemail.com
Tue Nov 30 15:55:11 UTC 2010


it's the typesetting that killed me tbh - *the* *only* font missing was Comic
Sans :)

On 30 November 2010 15:46, Ben Dembroski <ben at dembroski.net> wrote:

> Howabouts lengthy and coherent?
>
> On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 15:38 +0000, Thomas Coles wrote:
> > you mean "pretentious" and "lengthy" rather than eloquent or coherent
> > (Literature degree raises its ugly head)
> > ;)
> >
> > On 30 November 2010 15:36, Ben Dembroski <ben at dembroski.net> wrote:
> >         Yup.
> >
> >         A much more eloquent and coherent way of saying:
> >
> >         >       IMHO, politics enter the equation when the tech is
> >         used,
> >         >         consumed or referenced within the wider context of
> >         human
> >         >         interactions
> >         >         and power relationships.
> >
> >
> >         :)
> >
> >
> >         On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 15:12 +0000, Thomas Coles wrote:
> >         > In my opinion:
> >         >
> >         > Technologies are tools designed to manipulate our
> >         environments, they
> >         > change one thing into another thing.
> >         >
> >         > The end for which they are designed, when political, makes
> >         the tool
> >         > political. A microchip is a tool to process information more
> >         quickly -
> >         > it usurps human minds and human abilities. When we have
> >         reached a
> >         > stage where we can no longer write or design computer
> >         (machine) code
> >         > directly, when we have programming 'languages', we have
> >         reached a
> >         > stage where the vocabulary is more important than the tool.
> >         The very
> >         > idea of repetition, of loops, of unending sequences, of the
> >         continual
> >         > increase in complexity of knowledge and possibility, the
> >         computers'
> >         > cold equivalence of data types.
> >         >
> >         > For me all these things are political, they mediate our
> >         understanding
> >         > of the world and our understanding of each other. The fact
> >         that we
> >         > have the luxury of these technologies, and others don't
> >         (that we have
> >         > drones that can kill-at-distance with no risk) is political.
> >         Can we
> >         > have iPods and Macs without the suicides at Foxcom?
> >         Computers are
> >         > going to become more expensive due to Chinese embargos on
> >         rare-earth
> >         > metals. In the end these tools do not exist in a vacuum,
> >         someone made
> >         > them, someone designed them. If we use the Internet without
> >         > remembering that it is a cold-war outgrowth, don't we risk
> >         buying into
> >         > ideas we might not be aware of?
> >         >
> >         > The politics is contextual of course, but not only this, the
> >         types of
> >         > tools available emerge from needs and ideas not necessarily
> >         our own.
> >         > When Microsoft releases Genuine Advantage, or refuses to
> >         allow DVDs to
> >         > play on their software due to copyright, these things are no
> >         longer
> >         > tools, but also have inbuilt promotion of certain
> >         ideologies.
> >         >
> >         > Tom
> >         >
> >         > On 30 November 2010 14:57, Ben Dembroski <ben at dembroski.net>
> >         wrote:
> >         >         The can be, but it certainly resides on a sliding
> >         scale with a
> >         >         huge
> >         >         range.
> >         >
> >         >         The use of Twitter by Iranian protesters is more
> >         political
> >         >         than me
> >         >         deciding to use an Arduino over a Basic Stamp to
> >         automate the
> >         >         watering
> >         >         of my house plants.  There's nothing inherently
> >         political
> >         >         about
> >         >         technology.  IMHO, politics enter the equation when
> >         the tech
> >         >         is used,
> >         >         consumed or referenced within the wider context of
> >         human
> >         >         interactions
> >         >         and power relationships.
> >         >
> >         >         I would hope that any of these topics would equally
> >         welcome on
> >         >         this
> >         >         list.
> >         >
> >         >         Equally important is the distinction that not
> >         everything
> >         >         "political" has
> >         >         a significant element of "technology" to it.
> >         >
> >         >         --
> >         >         Ben
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 11:01 +0000, M.Hersh wrote:
> >         >         > Hi,
> >         >         > I would also point out that technology itself and
> >         its uses
> >         >         are political.
> >         >         > Marion
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
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