[ELECTRON] Fwd: Four Nerds and a Cry to Arms Against Facebook

Thu May 13 10:56:40 UTC 2010

I don't think you are being cynical Seb these are serious issues and
particularly among young uns who lots don't appear to be bothered by
anything beyond the shiney screen bit, an what the mates are saying. I
think it is more a case of education and a kind of lack of vision of what
we want these things to do for us rather than the technology itself.

Facebook is a bit like watching television. you switch it on and all you
find are half baked ideas, which are the equivalent of crap programs or
watching the adverts. You begin to wonder what you are doing there, you see
your friends names and names you have never heard of wanting to be friends
- it is way past the time you should have logged off and did something
useful - but like the telly you start changing channels thinking it is
going to get better the more times you hit the buttons. No it's not, you
just keep digging trying to make sense out of something that is designed to
do the exact opposite - because you don't know why you are there in the
first place. AAGGH Get out. That's my usual visit experience on FB and I
think networking is very important to us.

I have just checked my FB account. I have 79 friends - that means I have
clicked a few random buttons. I don't know 79 people. I have had this
account for about 4 months maybe more and I must say I cant think of one
thing that it has been useful for.

I hope the young nerds are into something, but as Seb says if it ain't
thought out its FB2. Bob

On 13/05/2010 09:21, Seb Bacon wrote:
> I hope it works -- something like this is desperately needed.
>
> However, I'm sceptical these guys will do it.  If they're really such
> nerds, where's the code?   It's a massive task; I've read their blog and
> read nothing to suggest they're capable of pulling it off.  They don't
> even appear to have done some basic research about the other projects
> that exist in their area.
>
> The other thing is that I'm not sure there is such a big demand for it.
> The value of Facebook is that it's so pervasive.  A friend joined
> recently, having held out for ages, purely because she felt she was
> missing out on convenient event invites.  It's going to take a lot to
> shift people off it; especially young people who've grown up with it.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm anti-Facebook, but the case for an alternative
> needs to be much more carefully thought out IMO.
>
> Sorry to be cynical, I hope I'm wrong!
>
> Seb
>
> On 13 May 2010 00:15, Simon Yuill<simon at lipparosa.org>  wrote:
>> Four Nerds and a Cry to Arms Against Facebook David Goldman for The
>> New York Times
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html
>>
>> Ilya Zhitomirskiy, 20, far left; Dan Grippi, 21; Max Salzberg, 22;
>> and Raphael Sofaer, 19, all students at N.Y.U., are trying to
>> reinvent social networking online.
>>
>> Published: May 11, 2010
>>
>> A few months back, four geeky college students, living on pizza in a
>> computer lab downtown on Mercer Street, decided to build a social
>> network that wouldn’t force people to surrender their privacy to a
>> big business. It would take three or four months to write the code,
>> and they would need a few thousand dollars each to live on.
>>
>> They gave themselves 39 days to raise $10,000, using an online site,
>> Kickstarter, that helps creative people find support.
>>
>> It turned out that just about all they had to do was whisper their
>> plans.
>>
>> “We were shocked,” said one of the four, Dan Grippi, 21. “For some
>> strange reason, everyone just agreed with this whole privacy thing.”
>>
>> They announced their project on April 24. They reached their $10,000
>> goal in 12 days, and the money continues to come in: as of Tuesday
>> afternoon, they had raised $23,676 from 739 backers. “Maybe 2 or 3
>> percent of the money is from people we know,” said Max Salzberg, 22.
>>
>> Working with Mr. Salzberg and Mr. Grippi are Raphael Sofaer, 19, and
>> Ilya Zhitomirskiy, 20 — “four talented young nerds,” Mr. Salzberg says
>> — all of whom met at New York University’s Courant Institute. They
>> have called their project Diaspora* and intend to distribute the
>> software free, and to make the code openly available so that other
>> programmers can build on it. As they describe it, the Diaspora*
>> software will let users set up their own personal servers, called
>> seeds, create their own hubs and fully control the information they
>> share. Mr. Sofaer says that centralized networks like Facebook are not
>> necessary. “In our real lives, we talk to each other,” he said. “We
>> don’t need to hand our messages to a hub. What Facebook gives you as a
>> user isn’t all that hard to do. All the little games, the little
>> walls, the little chat, aren’t really rare things. The technology
>> already exists.”
>>
>> The terms of the bargain people make with social networks — you swap
>> personal information for convenient access to their sites — have been
>> shifting, with the companies that operate the networks collecting
>> ever more information about their users. That information can be sold
>> to marketers. Some younger people are becoming more cautious about
>> what they post. “When you give up that data, you’re giving it up
>> forever,” Mr. Salzberg said. “The value they give us is negligible in
>> the scale of what they are doing, and what we are giving up is all of
>> our privacy.”
>>
>> The Diaspora* group was inspired to begin their project after hearing
>> a talk by Eben Moglen, a law professor at Columbia University, who
>> described the centralized social networks as “spying for free,” Mr.
>> Salzberg said.
>>
>> The four students met in a computer room at N.Y.U., and have spent
>> nearly every waking minute there for months. They understand the
>> appeal of social networks.
>>
>> “Certainly, as nerds, we have nowhere else to go,” Mr. Salzberg said.
>> “We’re big nerds.”
>>
>> “My social life has definitely collapsed in favor of maintaining a
>> decent GPA and doing this,” Mr. Sofaer said.
>>
>> A teacher and digital media researcher at N.Y.U., Finn Brunton, said
>> that their project — which does not involve giant rounds of venture
>> capital financing before anyone writes a line of code — reflected “a
>> return of the classic geek means of production: pizza and ramen and
>> guys sleeping under the desks because it is something that it is
>> really exciting and challenging.”
>>
>> And the demand for a social network that gives users control is
>> strong, Mr. Brunton said. “Everyone I talk to about this says, ‘Oh my
>> God, I’ve been waiting for someone to do something like that.’ ”
>>
>> There have been at least two other attempts at decentralized
>> networks, Mr. Brunton said, but he thought the Diaspora* group had a
>> firmer plan. Its quick success in raising money, he said, showed the
>> discontent over the state of privacy on the social sites. “We will
>> have to see how widely this will be adopted by the non-nerds,” Mr.
>> Brunton said. “But I don’t know a single person in the geek
>> demographic who is not freaked out” by large social networks and cyber
>> warehouses of information.
>>
>> The Diaspora* crew has no doubts about the sprawling strengths and
>> attractions of existing social networks, having gotten more than
>> 2,000 followers of “joindiaspora” on Twitter in just a few weeks.
>>
>> “So many people think it needs to exist,” Mr. Salzberg said. “We’re
>> making it because we want to use it.”
>>
>> http://joindiaspora.com/
>>
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